tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18348841.post116152413757917787..comments2023-08-10T18:06:06.024+10:00Comments on Philippines Phil: Brain DrainPhilippinesPhilhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15921214743105919057noreply@blogger.comBlogger22125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18348841.post-1162113221017365582006-10-29T20:13:00.000+11:002006-10-29T20:13:00.000+11:00In reality, statehood or any form of continued Uni...In reality, statehood or any form of continued United States territorial status, was NEVER on the table as far as the ruling families were concerned. The US acquiesced to these same families starting from the time of the "insurrection" in return for their cooperation, which they provided grudgingly all the way through the mid-30s. In effect, the way things were when the Spanish ran things is the PhilippinesPhilhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15921214743105919057noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18348841.post-1162059928199556722006-10-29T05:25:00.000+11:002006-10-29T05:25:00.000+11:00Phil:Those were good analytical points coming from...Phil:<BR/><BR/>Those were good analytical points coming from you. I suppose as usual it takes somebody with an outside perspective to see the situation clearly.<BR/><BR/>But Philippine statehood as a movement has been off and on during those same periods. I was even a member of one called Philippine Statehood USA that was formally organized by an elected public official. We had to pay our one Amadeohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00040096079637569742noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18348841.post-1162024102703693652006-10-28T18:28:00.000+10:002006-10-28T18:28:00.000+10:00Oh and your point on the law making it almost impo...Oh and your point on the law making it almost impossible for foreigners to work here... That is one more example of how shortsighted decisions were and are made to try to force more locals into the workforce and to keep businesses SOLELY under control of Filipinos, which ultimately backfires by discouraging foreign business and investment. The Philippine Constitution is riddled with clauses that PhilippinesPhilhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15921214743105919057noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18348841.post-1162023262481546562006-10-28T18:14:00.000+10:002006-10-28T18:14:00.000+10:00So I was right--it is more difficult these days fo...So I was right--it is more difficult these days for most Filipinos to simply migrate to the USA. I assume that for the first few decades after the commonwealth period ended those folks with direct family in the States had it much easier to make the move. Now I understand your claim that you thought you'd "try" it out. Guamanians snd Puerto Ricans, who did not opt for complete sovereignty, PhilippinesPhilhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15921214743105919057noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18348841.post-1162011544989000592006-10-28T14:59:00.000+10:002006-10-28T14:59:00.000+10:00Phil:I will take then the situation with a number ...Phil:<BR/><BR/>I will take then the situation with a number of the FilAms originally from our same old hometown, who are here in the US and with whom we continue to maintain connections. They have been here for many years and have also not really completely aborted their local connections, still having resources there and going back on a regular basis and planning to eventually spend more time Amadeohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00040096079637569742noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18348841.post-1162003392343107202006-10-28T12:43:00.000+10:002006-10-28T12:43:00.000+10:00Amadeo, are you telling all here? I moved to the P...Amadeo, are you telling all here? I moved to the Phils for a combination of reasons, mostly economic, but also to help take care of my wife's parents in their waning years. Why would you just up and move to simply "try living in another country?" You make it sound like such a casual decision. There are plenty of closer countries to "try," so why try the US? For one thing, its HARD for a Filipino PhilippinesPhilhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15921214743105919057noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18348841.post-1161978486613013222006-10-28T05:48:00.000+10:002006-10-28T05:48:00.000+10:00Filipinos leave the country for a variety of reaso...Filipinos leave the country for a variety of reasons. Unfortunately, nowadays most of them leave simply to “earn a living” outside, though a small number leave to “migrate” to other countries when the opportunities are with them. Thus, the bulk of departures are now those individuals, or couples, who leave to spend their productive life abroad leaving the rest of their family who will be Amadeohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00040096079637569742noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18348841.post-1161866254739382292006-10-26T22:37:00.000+10:002006-10-26T22:37:00.000+10:00My wife and all the Filipinos that I know, don't p...My wife and all the Filipinos that I know, don't put their family back home first as you state, they put their family (spouse, children) first, family back home second.<BR/><BR/>My show me the money phrase in no way states that everything is about me, me, me. It means, as I previously alluded to earlier, that all things EQUAL, I will follow the path of more money. That is not selfish. That is Edhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13214319366049620074noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18348841.post-1161789958387997932006-10-26T01:25:00.000+10:002006-10-26T01:25:00.000+10:00Mr T, I'll go check it out, thanks.Lea, you're rig...Mr T, I'll go check it out, thanks.<BR/><BR/>Lea, you're right, lots of Filipinos who go to the USA dream of coming back, but not all can adjust to it when they return. Almost all the single guys who leave come back at least once to get themselves a Pinay wife, especially when they realize what many of us learned eons ago--Filipinas are #1!<BR/><BR/>Senor E, Filipinos vote here EVERYDAY! They PhilippinesPhilhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15921214743105919057noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18348841.post-1161787700710697122006-10-26T00:48:00.000+10:002006-10-26T00:48:00.000+10:00Ed...Filipinos do not do well single... it goes co...Ed...Filipinos do not do well single... it goes completely against their nature. The ones who stay single usually do so knowing that it will make it easier to secure working visas to 1st world nations. And these folks do go places that few others would dare to go just to provide for their families... Even when these people are young and single, most do NOT put themselves first. They always PhilippinesPhilhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15921214743105919057noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18348841.post-1161778840338689542006-10-25T22:20:00.000+10:002006-10-25T22:20:00.000+10:00You talk about the married side of people leaving ...You talk about the married side of people leaving and I mostly see the single side of people leaving, mostly in the health care profession. Are their any sources of statistics that tell what the marrital status of individuals leaving the Philippines for overseas?<BR/><BR/>You are right, I would not leave my family for any amount of money in the world unless things were pretty dire. However, if Edhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13214319366049620074noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18348841.post-1161750412423860322006-10-25T14:26:00.000+10:002006-10-25T14:26:00.000+10:00Let's not forget those who left the Philippines fo...Let's not forget those who left the Philippines for a better life and did achieve it, but now couldn't come back because their children grew up Americans and won't have anything to do with the Philippines on an extended period -- visiting yes; living no. And since, they didn't want to be away from their children, they remain living abroad.<BR/><BR/>Going abroad defintely has its many ups, but itSeñor Enriquehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15110290769417627313noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18348841.post-1161748103950889662006-10-25T13:48:00.000+10:002006-10-25T13:48:00.000+10:00More and more Filipinos are leaving to search for ...More and more Filipinos are leaving to search for the milk and honey, of greener pastures and a hope of good future for themselves and more so for their children. <BR/><BR/>In the end we will all come back (at least I plan to) and return to the beauty of the Philippine Islands.<BR/><BR/>So sorry to hear about your wife's experience. Hope she is calmer now.<BR/><BR/>And to Henry, Good luck!Leahhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00960266965823043551noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18348841.post-1161722355723621642006-10-25T06:39:00.000+10:002006-10-25T06:39:00.000+10:00Philippines PhilI am very sorry to hear that your ...<B>Philippines Phil</B><BR/><BR/>I am very sorry to hear that your wife "got mugged" and I sincerely hope she is alright and has gotten over what must have been a very traumatic experience. The event reminded me of this Bible verse:<BR/><BR/>2 Timothy 3:1 "This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come."<BR/><BR/>P.S.<BR/>I just discovered the two questions you asked me in the Hopalong Cassidyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15553691790970842758noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18348841.post-1161701424597054442006-10-25T00:50:00.000+10:002006-10-25T00:50:00.000+10:00Ed, it might be hard for you as an American with a...Ed, it might be hard for you as an American with almost unlimited options, opportunities and possibilities to really understand what its like to have to grapple with the conundrum that many of these folks have to deal with. don't take this personal, but you're coming across here as rather hard-hearted. Now that you've got your little one how hard would it be for you to leave her behind for 6 PhilippinesPhilhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15921214743105919057noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18348841.post-1161699402074351682006-10-25T00:16:00.000+10:002006-10-25T00:16:00.000+10:00Thanks for the Marcos lesson. I can understand no...Thanks for the Marcos lesson. I can understand now why some of them think things were "better" under him. I was too young to even know where the Philippines were when Marcos was in power. About the only thing that stuck in my memory were all the shoes his wife owned. Do you know of any good books on him that provide an accurant account of his reign?<BR/><BR/>For your electrician friend, the Edhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13214319366049620074noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18348841.post-1161698590193237312006-10-25T00:03:00.000+10:002006-10-25T00:03:00.000+10:00Alec, you just banged the same drum I did only bet...Alec, you just banged the same drum I did only better... The primary goal of nearly everyone of my classmates is to "go abroad." Think about that in the context of how attached Filipinos are to their families! It has become an automatic response that is contradictory to their love of family. This is not just about money for most of them, it's about necessity. Example: one of my best friends is anPhilippinesPhilhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15921214743105919057noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18348841.post-1161698022460198372006-10-24T23:53:00.000+10:002006-10-24T23:53:00.000+10:00Ed, corruption, corruption, corruption and greed.....Ed, corruption, corruption, corruption and greed... ONLY the people at the top of the foodchain get to eat at the economic "trough".... This situation causes despair among the ordinary person who isn't "connected." They lose all hope and any vestige of faith in their own government to do the things necessary to promote growth in the economy. I hate to say this but foreign investors look here lastPhilippinesPhilhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15921214743105919057noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18348841.post-1161696986552651012006-10-24T23:36:00.000+10:002006-10-24T23:36:00.000+10:00One time when I lived in Mexico I was chatting wit...One time when I lived in Mexico I was chatting with a group of fellow students. One was a Filipino and since this was the first time these Mexicans had met a Filipino he was the center of attention for the first few minutes. One asked him what his country exports and his reflexive response was "Pineapples and people". <BR/><BR/>I swear he did it in all seriousness, as if it were NORMAL for a Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18348841.post-1161696304927750052006-10-24T23:25:00.000+10:002006-10-24T23:25:00.000+10:00Doesn't "stagnation" equate to less money? Doesn'...Doesn't "stagnation" equate to less money? Doesn't "little local opportunity" equate to less money? Money makes the world go round.<BR/><BR/>I shouldn't have left a little one sentence comment about Marcos which is a complex subject. I agree that Marcos was a tyrant, at least from how he was protrayed over here. But about 90% of the Filipinos I have talked to about Marcos have said that even Edhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13214319366049620074noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18348841.post-1161688843006803662006-10-24T21:20:00.000+10:002006-10-24T21:20:00.000+10:00So, everything is just fine here Ed? Jeez man. You...So, everything is just fine here Ed? Jeez man. You can't relate the whole world to Iowa. Its not just a question of money, its a question of bad policy leading to stagnation and little local opportunity. And Marcos was a tyrant who declared himself king of the Phils. We paid him several billions over his 20 plus year reign and he and his dragon lady squandered much of it. That jerk, with our helpPhilippinesPhilhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15921214743105919057noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18348841.post-1161622433458809072006-10-24T02:53:00.000+10:002006-10-24T02:53:00.000+10:00I think the brain drain in the RP is the same as i...I think the brain drain in the RP is the same as it is here in Iowa, which has been discussing this for the last decade. It comes down to money. When somebody else pays more for the same job, you go towards the money. Since the RP is a poor nation, I expect those that can get out of the country to make more money, do so. <BR/><BR/>I've heard things were a lot better under Marcos.Edhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13214319366049620074noreply@blogger.com